Even though he stayed a champion for three more years, he was an old fighter at the age of 33. Ali would prevail but a close decision. What Tyson did not have was Marciano or Frazier endurance. Ali ignored medical advice prior to fight with Holmes and vowed to beat the 'Easton Assassin' in their title clash, only to suffer a resounding beating, which … He is having … The Frazier trilogy and the “Rumble in the Jungle took their tolls and in the fights after the third Frazier fight, Ali was fighting more on guile than skills. Many of the older pundits don’t rate Ali as high as younger pundits. It was the first time in his career that he couldn't command the room. Live and one replay. By the way, I am a huge Holmes fan and I still can't watch. Fighters were not required to go to a neutral corner and matches were marathons that could last for hours. Ali greatness can be judge not just by his skills but by the number of victories in championship fights. On this score, Marciano was similar to Frazier, who also gained strength as the fighter went on. But the pills were partly responsible. The only fighter who truly humiliated Holmes was Tyson, who slaughtered a 38 years old Holmes in four rounds. He was a big heavyweight for his era and his size would still be a factor today. Just about any of the pathetic heavys fighting now would have beat ali on that night. Corbett once commented, “I won 22 out of 22 rounds but it was the 23rd that cost me the fight.” Jefferies endurance proved decisive as he outlasted Corbett and knocked out the slick boxer. Jefferies quit before he hit 30 and when he came back at 35, he was a spent force with six years rust. Have any of you guys seen this fight? All Rights Reserved. Larry Holmes vs Muhammad Ali: Larry Holmes' emotional breakdown. Ali vs. Holmes . Ali vs Holmes: Was it as bad as they say? Frazier showed that Ali could be pressured from a swarming style that Frazier and Marciano possessed. TM & © 2020 BoxingScene. It only delayed the inevitable. That was the saddest thing I've ever witnessed in sports. My own bias was that Ali was the greatest Heavyweights but there were other great fighters of the past could easily give Ali a close matches. This fight would be intriguing. Marciano’s strength was that he was one of best-conditioned fighters and he would get stronger as the fight wore on. At his peak, he could penetrate bigger fighters defenses and score. I consider myself a big Ali fan and I've seen many of his early to mid career fights. Most of Ali’s memorable fights occurred after he came back from boxing exile and after the third Frazier fight, Ali was a mere shell of himself. Others such as boxing historian Tracy Callis rate others higher. Ali advantage was that his foot and hand speed would be superior to Lewis. Press conferences were a sad place as well. He unveiled the rope-a-dope and allowed Foreman to tire himself out while counter punching off the rope. "Mike Tyson would get … Lewis, however, maintained a high caliber of skills even in his late 30’s unlike Ali, who was essentially a shot fighter after he fought Frazier for a third time. Larry Holmes started fast, but quickly took it easy on Ali, becuase it was obvious nothing could help Ali. Ali beat the best fighters of his era and all of these fighters were at the peak or considered at their peak. How would Ali fare against other Great Heavyweights? Have any of you guys seen this fight? Ali had the most trouble with the swarmers such as Frazier and even boxers such as Jimmy Young gave the Great One trouble. I could see Louis winning simply because he could easily take advantage of Ali unorthodox style and when he had a fighter in trouble, he ended their misery. (Getty Images) This is the eighth installment in Carlos Acevedo’s Shoot The Moon series covering the career of Larry Holmes. Lewis defeated two of the best fighters of his generation in Holyfield and Tyson, even though some have argued that both fighters were past their peak. Others like Tracy Callis would have picked Jefferies. Ali often won on guile and smarts as he did with skills. Holmes easily beat Ali that night but in their peak, it would be different. Ali showed that he could handle bigger and stronger heavyweights. Very few fighters could claim a similar impact. Ali had not fought for two years and was long past his prime. Full fight stats, opponent information and results - BoxStat.co Advanced Boxing Stats His next two fights with Leon Spinks showed Ali to be an old fighter before his time. But I have not seen the bout between him and Larry Holmes. The fight was estimated to have been watched by a record 2 billion viewers worldwide. I have the fight on tape, but have only watched it twice. This is one question that sends boxing fans into a tether. Tyson never wanted anything to do with an older Foreman, so at least Tyson understood his style weakness. On the other hand, Joe Louis was the most technically sound heavyweight. Great fighters had to be able to defeat fighters of different styles. Joe Louis was able to find a way to beat the slick Billy Conn and he fought five fights with fighters who weighed over 240 pounds and ranged between 6’4″ and 6’6″ and he won all of these fights by knock out. Two of the heavy punchers in Heavyweight history, neither Liston nor Foreman could deal with Ali’s guile or hand speed. Liston and Foreman were Ali signature victories. Ali fought bigger fighters such as Ernie Terrell even though Lewis was superior to Terrell. Larry Holmes started fast, but quickly took it easy on Ali, becuase it was obvious nothing could help Ali. Joe Frazier tried this strategy in his second fight with Foreman. Forget the fight that actually occurred between these two. Roy pulled no punches and discussed the Mike Tyson Fight and how it came about. Roy discussed the heavyweight division, promoting boxing, UFC who he feels is the top fighter today and so much more. Finally Angie Dundee showed some passion and stopped between rounds. At one point Howard Cosell (doing the commentary) sounds like he is on the verge of tears. Tyson also had underestimated defensive skills and may have been harder to hit in the earlier rounds than either Frazier or Marciano. Muhammad Ali vs Larry Holmes on October 2, 1980. The other disadvantage was that films featuring older fighters are not as easily available; whereas one could easily get a copy of almost every Ali fight, especially his championship fights. This fight would be intriguing. Most fighters would have been demolished by using such a strategy. When Ali beat Foreman, he beat Foreman on smarts more than skills. Don't watch it. Four weeks before the fight, as Holmes trained in his hometown of Easton, Pa., for a brief time it had looked as if it wouldn't matter if Ali weighed 217, 256 or 300 pounds. Muhammad Ali came out of retirement in 1979 and tried to capture the WBC Heavyweight title for the unprecedented fourth time. As a fan of Muhammad Ali's should I watch it or forget about it? He defeated Gentleman Jim Corbett twice even though in their first match, Corbett won most of the rounds according to many pundits of their day. But I have not seen the bout between him and Larry Holmes. To decide who is the best is subjective. Ali could take Marciano best and his foot and hand speed would allow him to stay out of Marciano range thus allowing him to avoid many of Marciano sledgehammer punches. Louis had trouble against good boxers as Jersey Walcott showed in his two fights and Billy Conn did in his first fight. Frazier weakness was that he could not handle bigger stronger fighters since he would be moving forward into their power reach as the Foreman fight demonstrated. So style makes fights and some fighters have more trouble with some styles over others. Don't watch it unless you're due for a good cry. I still favor Ali but the case could be made for Louis. Frazier fared better against Ali than he did against Foreman. Ali fought in the deepest era of heavyweight fighters and thus this record becomes even more impressive when you review the fighters that he had to defeat to stay on top. . If you wanted to make a film on how to box, Joe Louis would be the fighter you would want to film. The late 60’s and the 70’s were the deepest era and the two eras that would be close was at the turn of the century when Jefferies dominated and during the 90’s when Lewis competed against Tyson and Holyfield. Most boxing historians remember Jefferies for his lost to Jack Johnson and many have placed him below Johnson because of that fight. Jefferies, at his peak, was a killing machine who could outlast and out punch his opponent. After the first Frazier fight, Ali no longer had the same skills as he did before he was forced into boxing exile due to his draft status. I will be honest to admit that much of my admiration for Ali was that I grew up in the Ali era. Larry Holmes defeats Muhammad Ali at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas on October 2, 1980. Jefferies, and Marciano handled the boxers of their era and Frazier handled all but one- Ali. Ali’s advantage was his hand and foot speed and most importantly, his ability to withstand punishment- often an underrated feature of his repertoire. Only Joe Louis won more heavyweight championship fights than Ali. Ali had not fought for two years and was long past his prime. At the beginning of Lewis career, he fought at 225 pounds and Ali would not have given up much in size to the younger Lewis. Boxing Legend Roy Jones joined BoxingInsider.com Radio for a can’t miss interview. That was about it. It is difficult to judge the older fighters at the turn of the century due to rule changes.

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